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Ristaron · Aug 29, 2005, 08:02 AM // 08:02

Learn economics!
Everywhere I go I hear "now that monks are nerfed ecto will go down in price".
WRONG! Now that there are LESS ecto being introduced into the society, people will turn to the VENDORS. The vendors will then raise their prices because the demand is higher.

LESS of something = MORE COST

STOP PRETENDING EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ALRIGHT NOW THAT PROT BOND IS NERFED! The economy is about to skyrocket, and your savings which you thought were so large for a while are going to become infinitesimal compared to the prices that are going to be charged for things.

Those fellblades you took for granted are going to no longer be 5k for a max dmg gold with a vampiric hilt.
Those ectos are going to cost you as much as your guild hall.
Those superior runes are going to cost you as much as all your armour sets you ever bought.
AND, we can't forget, that black dye is gonna cost you more than you bought the game for.

Unless Devs up the drop rates of items that are worth the effort of selling to a special vendor/person instead of just to the merchant (by at least 500%), nobody is going to be able to afford anything in PvE, and therefore they will not do PvE. And your precious PvP will dwindle with only the elite getting any money through selling sigils - which will go down drastically in selling price because nobody is buying them. All in all, unless you're resetting the vendor prices once every few days, you're going to have most of the game community quit.
Way to go, Devs. Your worst decision since letting warrior/monks ascend.

Red Sonya · Aug 29, 2005, 08:08 AM // 08:08

What? And what's wrong with letting warriors/monks ascend?

Rhunex · Aug 29, 2005, 08:10 AM // 08:10

Check the price of ecto. Still 9k. Get over it. Im sick of people going around telling me the build is nerfed. YOU CAN STILL SOLO UW. Black dye - 8k Wow. It was 5k before the economy was "blown to pieces"(as some have said, not quoting from you)

just because your angry that you actually have to think while soloing UW instead of mindlessly doing nothing, doesnt mean that everyones going to start quitting GW...

Quit because ecto is 9k? Why? I'm a normal person who's just fine without the FoW armor on me. I don't need to carry around a suit of armor that costs 1,080,000 (A PIECE!) gold in ecto. I'd rather sell the ecto and buy all the 15k armors for my characters(all for sets, for all four characters...wooo) If you ask me, having 16 sets of 15k armor is much better than having 1 FoW piece...

The only way they could possibly nerf the monk build is to redo the skill entirely. Because it wasn't a glitch in the system that allowed monks to solo UW, it was just a build with the skills they gave you. but i can tell that you're not the kind of person to create your own soloing build and just steal other peoples builds...right?

Ristaron · Aug 29, 2005, 08:13 AM // 08:13

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Originally Posted by Rhunex

Check the price of ecto. Still 9k. Get over it. Im sick of people going around telling me the build is nerfed. YOU CAN STILL SOLO UW. Black dye - 8k Wow. It was 5k before the economy was "blown to pieces"(as some have said, not quoting from you)

just because your angry that you actually have to think while soloing UW instead of mindlessly doing nothing, doesnt mean that everyones going to start quitting GW...

Quit because ecto is 9k? Why? I'm a normal person who's just fine without the FoW armor on me. I don't need to carry around a suit of armor that costs 1,080,000 (A PIECE!) gold in ecto. I'd rather sell the ecto and buy all the 15k armors for my characters(all for sets, for all four characters...wooo) If you ask me, having 16 sets of 15k armor is much better than having 1 FoW piece...

The only way they could possibly nerf the monk build is to redo the skill entirely. Because it wasn't a glitch in the system that allowed monks to solo UW, it was just a build with the skills they gave you. but i can tell that you're not the kind of person to create your own soloing build and just steal other peoples builds...right?

You missed the point.
Not just ecto, not just soloing UW. Frankly I didn't do much of either.
Remember when minor runes cost 1k a piece? That's not far off again. And unless we get price resets every few days (or, to make it easier, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing static prices) then we're going to have new people not being able to play the game at all unless they get lucky and find a guild that has a lot of money and is willing to help.

Red Sonya · Aug 29, 2005, 08:14 AM // 08:14

[but i can tell that you're not the kind of person to create your own soloing build and just steal other peoples builds...right?]

Lol just like the other 99.9% of the players do out there.

Ristaron · Aug 29, 2005, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

[but i can tell that you're not the kind of person to create your own soloing build and just steal other peoples builds...right?]

Lol just like the other 99.9% of the players do out there.

Actually, the level 17 cast prot bond was the only thing I stole from the 105 build.
The other things I used to farm before, and still use desperately farming the last good places left.
I do not steal builds, I am far too proud to do that. Ask any of my guild mates, our guild section of the forums are filled with strats I come up with and how they work with other strats I've come up with. I am always tweaking the build I'm using, determined to find a good in-between. I have unlocked almost every skill of all the professions I play (only a few that really don't peak my interest are left out), and I have stacks of papers all over my desk with build notes on them.
Frankly, your accusing me of being the general soloing n00b offends me and pisses me off. And if that's all you can think to do in this thread, then get lost.

Gwahir · Aug 29, 2005, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Ummm... As a European player, i know that the rise in prices you predicted is rubbish.

people didn't all quit playing in Europe because Ectos were expensive. Before the economies of each continent were all merged, Europe only had the Ectos coming in while Europe had favour. And how often was that!? now there's ectos coming into the economy ALL the time. Ectos might have been 17K and black dye 20K before the economy was "blown to pieces" but people didn't leave just cos they couldnt all have FoW armour.

Sandman Uk · Aug 29, 2005, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Well least where on a level playing field now. Not just one build making all the money nowe is it.

Ristaron · Aug 29, 2005, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Sandman Uk

Well least where on a level playing field now. Not just one build making all the money nowe is it.

What was stopping you from making a monk to be able to supply your account (and friends, as I did mostly) with gold (and items, as I also did)? Laziness? Refusing to realize the potential?
Please...
You can still farm with Eles in places, are you going to say that they have an advantage now?

Red Sonya · Aug 29, 2005, 08:30 AM // 08:30

[]Frankly, your accusing me of being the general soloing n00b offends me and pisses me off. And if that's all you can think to do in this thread, then get lost.]

Fact is you can't "prove" any of your statements to be "true". It's easy to sit on a computer and type anything disproving another. I'll stick by that 99.9% copy others builds since that also can't be proven false or true.

Sandman Uk · Aug 29, 2005, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Team play. Dont want to play solo on own is why I didnt but I was close to being pushed to do one because I couldnt compete with the Auction Prices. War/Monks Bidding 1.2 million for weapons because they could easily afford too. Most ive ever had in pot is about 40 plat. And you say prices were being lowered??

My-Excuse · Aug 29, 2005, 08:55 AM // 08:55

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

You missed the point.
Remember when minor runes cost 1k a piece? That's not far off again.

. . .

ok.. soo i just went to check the price of minro runes. still 100g. Rune drops, on the most part, were never effected by UW/FOW as far as i can tell (except for the superior absorption and vigor runes, MAYBE).

Your logic is far off. also im glad what ANet did, they didn't nerf the solo monk build, they just 'nerfed' it to the point where only people with skill can use it. This will hopefully prevent a bunch of bandwagon idiots from trying to make the build from an online web forum and then being one of hundreds of other 55/105 monks soloing.

Although you can solo certain area's of the game (not just talking about farming here), Guild wars is much more rewarding as a team game. I think this is what ANet is trying to support.

As far as the economy goes, as long as all the continents are connected, the prices will never fluctuate a lot ever again. I can see ecto going up to possibly 15k but that seems like it will be the only thing affected by this quasi-nerf.

ManaCraft · Aug 29, 2005, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

Learn economics!
Everywhere I go I hear "now that monks are nerfed ecto will go down in price".
WRONG! Now that there are LESS ecto being introduced into the society, people will turn to the VENDORS. The vendors will then raise their prices because the demand is higher.

LESS of something = MORE COST

The price of ectoplasm was never tied to the existance of the UW solo monk. Throughout this whole debacle the price of ecto has remained stable at about 10k (currently a little less). I see no reason why that is about to change.

As for runes, black dyes, and all the other items that people usully measure the state of the economy by, they've been relatively stable in price after the fix of August 11. Oh, and monk superior runes are now actually available at the trader.

Contrary to what way too many people are predicting, the sky is not falling.

ManaCraft

Okae · Aug 29, 2005, 09:19 AM // 09:19

It's really not plausible to say that if the "soloing" builds are nerfed certain items will skyrocket without knowing Anet's economic model or their underlying intentions. Let me explain, perhaps Anet is trying to get more people to *gulp* actually play in groups through UW. I know it's a crazy idea but just maybe Anet figures if people actually go out and try to get the items themselves instead of buying from farming builds that the demand for ectos and such won't be so high on the vendors. Also if people actually did some of the leg work themselves they wouldn't need to buy those super rare 100K + ecto items because they by chance, might actually get it on their own.

Nonetheless, since the rampant amount of solo build farmers it has been very difficult for many to find a good group to test their luck in UW. Especially since it seems that every monk hangin around TOA is just a 105/55 and even those who were once healing monks converted. More than 1/2 the groups I joined the monk(s) goes off on their own leaving the rest for dead.. i want to play.. not watch some guy do his invinci-crap. Nor do I want to be forced to only buy from a monk or vendor.

If you haven't noticed the game was built where it really requires a balance of professions to conquer an area or beat an opponent. If you're able to farm an area solo because you figured out how to work the skill system I'm all for it... just don't whine when Anet decides to nerf things because they feel it will enhance the game for others. I'd rather they nerf a skill than nerf the drops.

And just like Gwahir said people won't quit just cuz they can't have FoW armor. I would see more people quitting if everywhere you went the drops were nerf'd badly, as that would leave very little motivation for people to keep playing. Imagine picking up 6-8dmg weapons or not getting any drops at all in UW... no one would even bother.

Ultimate_Gaara · Aug 29, 2005, 09:24 AM // 09:24

I take one day off of GW to enjoy D2 and people are already complaing about the econ.. don't tell me they are blaming Anet as well, people who point fingers at Anet and greedy childeren who are too childish to solve their own problems.. so FoW armor is actualy going to require effort again, big woop

ayb · Aug 29, 2005, 12:45 PM // 12:45

anyone not planning on buying fow armor has no use for ectos
anyone with enough money to blow on fow armor in the first place has no room to bitch
period

Mithie · Aug 29, 2005, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

Frankly, your accusing me of being the general soloing n00b offends me and pisses me off. And if that's all you can think to do in this thread, then get lost.

You *ARE* a general soloing n00b because you made the silly insinuation that by nerfing the prot bond, they also stopped the 105/55 from soloing. WRONG. There are still plenty of monks soloing the underworld with a slightly tweaked build, such as the one posted at GWonline. I don't see why nerfing the prot bond would change anything on the scale as you have suggested.

EAT U ALIVE · Aug 29, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

i heard that they nerfed protective bond because it was unfair in pvp... i heard they were gonna switch it back

Kaizume · Aug 29, 2005, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Its really silly to see people whine and whine on why they can't solo UW anymore because 17prot bond is nerfed. Live with it or find another way.

If you can't solo, then go in a group. So maybe all the ecto won't drop for you, but at least you won't be bored!

If you think people are gonna quit because ecto prices are gonna skyrocket, you're on crack. Fissure armor has the exact same stats. Looks a bit better, so what?! Quitting cause you can't look a bit better? I wouldn't mind you quitting guild wars to save you some face.

nailz · Aug 29, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

If I remember correctly this is like the 2nd or 3rd thread you've started about protective bond...the only people effected by the nerf of Protective Bond were the people that stole the build off the internet and never really understand what was going on. Everybody else has tweaked their builds and continues to farm UW, Hydras, Griffons, Flesh Golems....etc.